Thursday, July 9, 2009

With a little help from my friends

Sometimes I just get stuck, can't think outside the box. Running around in circles. I've already bitched about this page, but now that the problem is solved, let me share it with you.
One of the opening scenes of the book required the following; main character is talking to a young boy while doing signing at the convention, on his right are two of his mates, a queue of fans in front of him, monitor beside him and two men watching over behind him.
On first sketches/doodles I did on the script while reading it, I went for a straight shot looking from the crowd, but ditched it rightaway because it's obvious I want be able to show everything needed. Shot from the above comes natural.

So, this is how I did the layout.

But it didn't look right. It was dull and hanged onto the right side. I tried some variations, but none of them were good. So I started penciling the page, still unhappy.

Couldn't force myself to finish it and decided to ask for help. I've sent an e-mail to Darko and Tonci and here's what they came up with.

Tonci did basically what my first idea was, except he lifted up the camera a bit.

Darko moved two men in forefront, to the left.
Later that day I met with Bob and Talaja and asked for their opinions. They didn't do their own versions, but we analyzed what was done before. We agreed that my version was correct but boring, Darko's had a problem because two men were on the left and their dialogue comes last, Tonci's was spot on! Our main character was in the center of the panel, the whole composition and perspective leads the eye to him and with little adjustment we'll be able to see everything we need, and subjective POV (we're in the crowd, waiting for signature) was more then welcome.
Drawing time, finaly! I didn't bother drawing perspective grid, just had fun finally drawing the damn piece.

And ... oops!
After completely finishing the page and sending it to the crew, I've realized two men in the background are huge! Ten years ago, I'd have to redraw them, but now, thank God, there's Photoshop! : )

I don't know, some of you might find all this big fuss about nothing. And I would even agree, especially since the solution was so simple, but sometimes you just can't see the woods from the tree. Funny thing is, these situations never happen when deadlines are breathing down your neck! : )

11 comments:

Mimi Cortazar said...

Ma nema sumlje tu su detalji :)
super tabla ...

Dzontra said...

Hahahhahaah, ulepsao si mi dan ,sjajno.
No,,obrati paznju ,kesa u prednjem planu(pored decka sa rancem) nije u ravni sa podom.....kad vec ides u sitna creva....

Dan said...

Postovani Dzuka,
ovo je provedena operacija kao za slijetanje na Mjesec. Da li je zaista potrebno toliko konzultacija oko jedne table? (Ti bar imas "utakmica u nogama"!)
Meni je već ona skica iz predhodnog posta na istu temu, bila odlična.
Možda, ako ima vremena i prostora, dodao bih toj prvoj ideji, kao manji kadar i ovu novu ideju t.j. "nižu" perspektivu iste situacije.

Ukratko: Spojio bih i jednu i drugu ideju na istoj tabli.

dzuka said...

naravno da nije bilo zaista potrebno, al eto. blokada, visak vremena, i tako to krene. vremena i prostora, a ni potrebe za mjenjanje icega vise nema.
ok, mozda jos malo popravim kesu u prednjem planu. : )

alan said...

Great teamwork. Great splash

BogatiStric said...

Meni se svidja ova tabla,a nacin kako ste svi zajedno dosli do resenja je jako zanimljiv,thx for sharing:)
Medjutim,mislim da ima jedan mali problemcic,koji si i ti sam uocio,vezan za perspektivu,i ona dva lika u pozadini:)Naime ako je horizont svima iznad glava kako se meni cini u ovom slicaju,onda ona dva lika u pozadini(sem ako nisu natprosecno visoki) takodje bi po nekoj logici trebalo da budu ispod njega,ili ako njih horisont sece preko ramena onda bi i vecinu ostalih likova na tabli morao tuda da sece,sem recimo dece,patuljaka itd.Mislim da ovde kamera nije dovoljno visoko kao recimo na onoj tvojoj prvoj skici gde ovo sto sam napisao ne bi vazilo.Verujem da ti je ovo sve promaklo zbog brzine,nadam se da ne zameras na komentaru,u svakom slucaju tabla izgleda svetski i svaka cast na dobroj montazi.

dzuka said...

striche, fala i, naravno, ne zamjeram nista. stvar je stavljena na internet, dakle, podlozna kritici.
a kritika je i na mjestu. cak i ovako smanjeni, jos uvijek se ne uklapaju skroz u perspektivu.
oni doduse jesu visoki, a dobar dio publike i momci za stolom su klinci, al ipak ...

BogatiStric said...

Imas jednu jedva vidljivu liniju,koja sece onog visljeg lika u pozadini kod ramena,mozda kad bi njih dvojicu spustio ispod te linije,negde otprilike u ravni onog procelavog coveka sto stoji sa klincem prvi do stola,mislim da bi dobio dosta tacnu stvar.
Baj d vej,hvala za preporuke kod Ivancice Knapic za ilustrovanje,nisam stigao da ti se zahvalim ranije.

dzuka said...

sredit cu to svakako. sto ju duze gledam, vise mi bode oci.
i nema na cemu. nadam se da je bilo na obostranu korist. : )

vrandecic said...

hvala ti džuka, ovakvo transparentno postavljanje i rješavanje problema za mene je nešto najvrijednije što može pomoći mom razvoju u devetoj umjetnosti. Rasturaš kao i uvijek.
A da li je neko primjetio zamišljenu krivulju koja ide od lika u desnom donjem uglu prvog plana, preko reda fanova te glavnog lika i koja završava na dvojci likova u pozadini koji stoje? Na taj način i vizualno pratimo vremenski tok radnje, kao da smo i sami u redu, tada dolazimo do glavnog lika koji nešto govori, a krivulja nas nakon toga odvlači i do stražnjih likova s kojima konverzacija i završava... Genijalno

dzuka said...

mario, fala. ja sam tu liniju skuzio odma na toncijevoj skici, sto je bilo i jedan od glavnih razloga da sam se na kraju i odlucio za tu varijantu.